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Personera: "Your Life In Print"
by Daniel Neville on 2010/03/05
Shed Simove - The Ideas Man
by Daniel Neville on 2010/02/19
So a couple of months ago I wrote a blog post about two ideas - Crabvertising and Pooblicity. Granted both are really out there ideas (although im convinced there is a business model in the idea of Pooblicity) but at the same time they are brilliantly ingenious. The creator of these two ideas is none other than The Ideas Man, otherwise known as Shed Simove.
Between 10and5: The Creative Showcase - Interview With Uno De Waal
by Daniel Neville on 2009/09/18
One of the reasons I love the Internet so much is that it is the perfect place to waste hours looking at awesome content - ranging from in depth academic articles to entertaining but rather pointless websites like Animals With Lightsabers. Because of this the net is also the best place to find examples of some of the best creative ideas, design, film and fashion out there.
One of my favourite creative showcase sites has to be Between 10and5. In their own words the site is a "showcase for the South African creative industry." Each day they feature the best work from agencies, freelancers, illustrators, artists and other creatives... Between 10and5 is almost one year old and so we sat down with Uno De Waal, one of the sites founding fathers, and had a bit of a chat about what the ride has been like so far.
1. Tell us a bit more about Between 10and5 and the concept behind it, why did you decide it was needed?
We were struggling to find all the creative work that was being produced in South Africa. We had to go to each individual artist/agency site to find new work, and it was a mission. We thought that if we're doing it, we might as well start by building a central repository for all that content.
2. There is a bit of a story behind the name Between 10and5 - can you fill us in on it?
Our initial brief to the community (and still is to an extent), is to show us between 5 and 10 things that you've been up to. Less than 5 is too little, and more than 10 things and you start getting lost in the content. The domain 5and10 was already taken. We thought 10and5 is also a little bit different, so it might stick in your mind a bit more.
3. How long have you been running and what has the general feedback been?
Our first post was put up on the 28th of September 2008. So, since then. We're almost a year old! The feedback has been great. We've built up a cool community and following, and met some awesome people along the way as well.
4. You have new work up everyday, it must be quite time consuming to run with no obvious benefit to you. How do you practically run and manage the site?
It is... Apart from Johann and myself, we also have Kate and Mari who put content up. It's awesome having other people to help out. We also do batch processing, so we try to gather content during the week, then on Sundays we'll schedule content until about Wednesday, and then we do the same on Wednesday. It is very time consuming though, also because all the other contributers work at other companies (I'm the only one who has a "flexible schedule") I end up taking a lot on myself, but everyone helps out equally at the end of the day. We do try and connect with people to offer us scoops as well, and we're always looking to publish more articles in our Content Pillars. Regarding the benefits, you'll notice that 10and5 doesn't run any ads, or has no directly obvious revenue model. It's because we don't :) 10and5 is actually a "product" from our consulting and research company MaxRover. 10and5 puts us in contact with a number of ad agency's and creatives, plus it keeps us up to date with the trends happening in the ad world.

Am I Collective's BARE's range - showcased on Between 10and5
5. What work makes it onto the site? Is there any gatekeeping of work so to speak?
We do try and gatekeep to some extent. We feel that the value that we bring is in the editorial process. That being said, we also want to have deep content - so even if it is terrible work, we still put it up because it's important to showcase that as well. We'll often put up very corporate, boring work that has been produced by some of the most cutting edge design companies, just to show that you sometimes also need to do the bread and butter work.
6. Between 10and5 is a showcase of work from the South African creative industry - does this mean only work destined for the South African market is showcased or only work done by South Africans?
Both - If you're a South African living abroad (like Motel7) then we'll showcase your stuff, or if the ad was produced in South Africa and flighted in Scandinavia, we'll show it because it has a connection to South Africa.
7. You must get lots of the work you showcase sent to you - how often do you actively go out looking for examples of great South African creative work?
We do it quite a lot. It's also a great way for us to introduce the site to other creatives. We have a couple of people who send in regular work (love you guys!), and then we'll also browse the web and find SA stuff. Kate and Mari are quite connected to the grass roots of the scene, so we get lots of cool news first hand from creatives who produce the work! We've also setup groups on Flickr and Behance for people to upload work to, plus we've got a few RSS feeds that notify us of new work as well.
8. What type of community do you find uses your site the most? Other creatives searching for inspiration or brands looking for portfolios etc?
We find that we have quite a lot of illustrators and graphic designers, but also people who are not involved with the actual creative production (account execs, etc).

Sketch Away Thursday the event that leads up to the Night Of 1000 Drawings - showcased on Between 10and5
9. Are there any other sites out there locally that are doing something similar?
Yeah quite a few. There's Cherryflava, they've been doing what we're doing for a while, but our content is different in ways. MarkLives is also quite close, we have a pretty cool relationship though - we'll share some content and work on some things together. There was South African Design Link Love, but they died down a bit. Then you get the digi-mags, Chew Magazine, Voice, Audrey2. We're all featuring cool creative content, and we have our niches. We're not seeing them as competitors at all - we'll even feature the new issues from the magazines when they are released. At the end of the day, we're all featuring something a little bit different, and we feel that the more work being shown, the better!
10. Do you model yourself on any international sites or are there any out there that are at a level you would one day like to reach?
I suppose there are parallels to a number of sites - international ad sites are all over the place. It's really not difficult to find awesome creative work. But we're more about our community and stimulating them. We'd like to be able to offer a one-stop solution for designers, from jobs (we're live with that by the way - check it out here), through to classifieds, to being able to promote your work.
11. Do you do anything to promote the site or do you find that word just spreads organically?
We do a lot of social media marketing. A lot! And we also ask our contributers to punt it as well. We're ranking quite high for agency search terms as well, so that helps, plus any featured campaigns are also ranked quite high. It's a mix of a lot of things. Our social presence was lacking a bit a while back, and we decided to do something about it. We started organising social campaigns that we run through Twitter and Facebook, and I think this graph speaks quite well to our success rate. So, technically that could be considered promotion, but also organic spread!
12. You see most of the South African work that gets produced - how does it compare to work from overseas and are there any local trends that you have noticed.
SA has quite a big slant to iconographic imagery. I have no idea why this is and I don't really think it's visible in the big corporate work, but some of the smaller agencies are definitely punting it. There is some awesome top-notch creative work being produced.

Dylan Jones, AKA TheoryOne - showcased on Between 10and5
13. What are your personally opinions on crowdsourcing sites that asks for completed work (99designs etc) compared to something like Idea Bounty where just the Idea is being sought?
It's a tricky thing. 10and5 is very hesitant to do it, I don't think we'll ever run a crowdsourcing campaign ourselves, but we will put other crowdsourcing competitions up for other people to enter. I think that if you have an issue with crowdsourcing, then don't enter it, but for a lot of people who haven't made a name for themselves, it's a great way to get out there and become established. We have commissioned quite a few pieces (all our 10and5 wallpapers are done for free), but it's never a crowdsourced thing. Idea Bounty is great - the incentive is REALLY good (prize money is excellent!). I haven't seen any of the ideas executed though, which is a bit worrysome. I'd like to see some of the ideas, and also some of the ones that didn't make it (but I suppose then someone else might take it...)
14. Do you think enough is being done to promote South African creative work?
No... There are loads of showcases, but I think SA creatives need more support, in the form of channels to promote their work, and also in training and services support (like offering cheaper Photoshop licenses!). It's also not always the cool stuff that gets seen. I think it's OK, adequately sufficient, but it's not amazing.
15. What are your ties to the creative industry, are you an active creative yourself?
I'm not really, Kate and Mari are both copywriters at agencies (Kastner&Partners and Mari is starting at Quirk), and Johann is a digital producer (at Stonewall+). I know how to work Photoshop, but you don't really want to see what comes out... My focus is more on research (which is a large part of what 10and5 is). As mentioned earlier, the 10and5 "holding company" is a research firm and 10and5 allows us to keep on the pulse of the creative industry in SA and offer insights that is relatively unique. So it's more about being creative in a business sense than the other sense..
16. Cape Town has always been a central hot spot for creativity in South Africa - do you find that work differs considerably depending on the city the creator lives in?
Kind of, but we haven't had enough work to compare though. We've been struggling to get content from Johannesburg and other areas because we aren't on the ground. We get some creative stuff, but not enough. Cape Town creatives have a bit of a struggling artist mentality (specifically in the arts scene), while JHB guys are much more switched on business wise. I might be biased, but I do prefer the Cape Town creative work. The only thing now is to commercialise it!

The Cow Africa Illustrators T-shirt range (designed by Niark1)- Showcased on Between 10and5
17. Do you have any favorite artists/creatives that you especially enjoy featuring?
Hehe, yup we do, all the creatives who send us regular work! We have a couple of favourites, but we'd never punt them more than any other. We like to reward our contributers through other means (like a free shirt here and there).
18. What do you think the future of creative talent in South Africa is going to be like?
I have no idea. Bit of an open question? I think we're going to see a lot more online sales - people are going to start selling more of their products online. At the moment, the only way for an artist to sell their work is through an exhibition, or through some physical distribution channel like a brick and mortar shop. Online opens up a lot more channels. There are also loads of artists who are great at what they do, but get tied up in admin. I reckon we'll see a couple of creative agencies pop up (similar to Word of Art) that help creatives connect with business. I think that's exciting because it allows the creatives to do more of what they're good at - producing great creative work.
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